1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,920 The figure communicated with him but did not move his lips. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,960 This person we later learned was a man named Dr. Cold, or Mr. Cold. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:19,600 And they're followed from that a trip to a planet beyond our solar system. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,600 And the man who had that experience is with us this morning. 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,200 And he is Woody Derenberger. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,800 And he is also a man who has put together a book on this with the help of Harold Hubbard. 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,720 And it's good to have both of you here. 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,600 We'd like now Woody to have you just tell us this story from really the beginning. 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,200 Where did it start and what were you doing there and then what happened? 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,200 Well it was in right outside of Parkersburg, West Virginia. 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,200 I was there, as you say, sewing machine sealed. 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,200 And I was driving a Ford Econovan truck loaded with equipment. 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:03,200 And on this night it was raining, the road was very slippery. 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,200 I was driving a bit approximately 25 to 30 miles per hour. 15 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:19,200 It was dark and I was driving along the highway when I heard something fall in the back of my truck. 16 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:26,200 And I turned the dome light on to see what had fallen on the floor. 17 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:32,200 But as I started to glance back I noticed this light coming up behind me, an automobile. 18 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,200 But it was coming very rapidly. 19 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:41,200 So I watched the road till the car got a pass me and again I turned the look at the back of the truck. 20 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,200 But as I did I noticed this other object, no light. 21 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,200 The object was coming up the side of my truck. I thought it was a car at first then as I glanced at it. 22 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,200 There was no lights on it. It was not touching the highway. 23 00:01:53,200 --> 00:02:00,200 And I looked directly at the object, it was a possible level with the window and my K covering. 24 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,200 But keeping light with me. 25 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,200 And then it gradually pulled ahead of me about I'd say 30 to 50 feet ahead of me. 26 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,200 It turned crosswise through it but still moving ahead of me. 27 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:21,200 And I started slowing down. As it slowed down of course I had to keep breaking my truck till it stopped completely. 28 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,200 I stopped maybe 10, 12, 15 feet from the vehicle. 29 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:33,200 As I did stop there was a door open directly in front of my headlights and a man stepped out on the highway and started toward my truck. 30 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,200 I had the motor running in my truck. The windows were closed. 31 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,200 This man was apart from halfway between my truck and his vehicle. 32 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:48,200 I distinctly either heard or felt this voice or whatever you want to call it. 33 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Asked me to roll the window down on the passenger side of my truck. 34 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,200 I don't know yet why I did it but I slid over in the middle of the cab. 35 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,200 I rolled the window down and this man walked up to me. 36 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:10,200 He had his arms forward like this. He had a slight smile on his face but his lips were closed. 37 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:18,200 But as he walked up to the truck again I think I felt the communication. Please do not be frightened. 38 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,200 I don't know how I want to talk to you. 39 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:26,200 You're not necessarily hearing this. It's like you're sort of just aware that this is the message that's coming through to you from this figure. 40 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,200 Correct. I cannot explain exactly the feeling. 41 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:38,200 I knew what the man was saying or what I was feeling hearing without audible communication. 42 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:45,200 He asked me what my name was. I tried to tell him but this time I honestly couldn't speak. 43 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,200 But I was thinking my name and some way he knew what my name was. 44 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,200 He spoke my name and he said my name is Cole. 45 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,200 C-O-L-D. 46 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,200 He repeatedly asked me not to be frightened but he only wanted to talk to me. 47 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:09,200 He asked me very simple questions like where I was from, what I was doing, if I worked for a living, if I had to work for a living. 48 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,200 He only asked me questions that anybody could have answered. 49 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:21,200 As soon as this man had got out there and walked toward my truck the vehicular itself lifted straight up in the air. 50 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:28,200 It was still in my headlights so I could still see it, about 50 feet high I would say. 51 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,200 There were cars and trucks traveling the highway. 52 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,200 There was a car, not a mobile, with the woman I later found out. 53 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,200 Her three children in the car stopped about 100 feet ahead of my truck and stepped in a lot. 54 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,200 There were several people, saw the vehicle, saw the man standing by my truck. 55 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,200 The man only talked to me just a very short while. 56 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,200 Then as he said, Mr. Dernberger, I will see you again shortly. 57 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,200 He turned and the vehicle itself came back down again beside my truck. 58 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,200 This man, Mr. Cole, walked directly to the door. 59 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,200 I see the door open again and a man standing in the door. 60 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Mr. Cole walked over, got into the vehicle and again went straight up. 61 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,200 Mr. Cole looks like a person, like a human being on our earth. 62 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:23,200 If Mr. Cole would walk right here in with us now there would be no way to identify him unless you knew exactly what to look for. 63 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:31,200 I see. But the extraordinary thing was the communication that he did with you which involved no speaking. 64 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,200 No speaking at all, there was no audible sound at all. 65 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,200 Well then he got back on the vehicle, whatever it was, and went away. 66 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,200 Straight up. 67 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,200 Okay, now then what happened? 68 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,200 What did you do? 69 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:51,200 As soon as he left, of course I left much more rapidly than he did because the vehicle itself didn't go fast. 70 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:57,200 But I went straight home and when I went in the back door, my wife knew immediately something had happened to me. 71 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:03,200 She said later that I was very white and she asked me what had happened. 72 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,200 If I hit somebody, had a wreck, I told her no. 73 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:13,200 And then I sent the children to bed and over a cup of coffee, I told my wife everything had happened. 74 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,200 She suggested we call the police. 75 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,200 I told her she wanted to call the police to go ahead and she did. 76 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:25,200 As soon as she told the police what had happened, they asked her to hang the phone up and they would call her back shortly. 77 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:31,200 In approximately five to ten minutes they did call her back and ask her what kind of a condition I was in. 78 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,200 I was nervous, frightened, sick for how I was acting. 79 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,200 She told them that I was still nervous but was calming down. 80 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:50,200 They asked my wife to tell me not to worry that I had been the third man on that highway that night that had been stopped by this vehicle and talked to. 81 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:59,200 The two other people I later found out, Mr. John Teal, that they were truck drivers from Bellevue, West Virginia. 82 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,200 They had stopped but when they reported this they asked for their names not to be released. 83 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:12,200 I know the men personally since that time and they are afraid of the public to be in their positions. 84 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:17,200 Was their experience with Mr. Cold and this vehicle just like yours? 85 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Yes. 86 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:25,200 In other words, they came over to, did they relate the same kind of story about the communication that they communicated with you or with them rather than the same way they communicated with you? 87 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,200 Yes, they did. 88 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,200 They said that they seen the man's mouth move not at all. 89 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:37,200 They never heard him speak any words at all audibly yet they this move to call and ask their name where they live, what they were doing. 90 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:44,200 And the strange thing, he asked each and every one of us if we worked for him or if we had to work for him. 91 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Now, he is apparently sorting out individuals he's looking for somebody to take some place. 92 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Now what happened next? 93 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,200 What did you next have a contact with Mr. Cold? 94 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Well, the second contact that I had with Mr. Cold, I didn't see him at all. 95 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:11,200 I had another salesman in the truck, the same truck with me driving along a different highway and I heard this voice or felt this communication. 96 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:22,200 And the first time he asked me to keep control of myself that he was actually speaking to me not to be frightened but he wanted to tell me a few things about himself. 97 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:33,200 At this time he told me his phone name was Indy Cold that he was married, had a wife, Kimma, had two children and said that the world that he was from was called Lanyulus. 98 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,200 Lanyulus, Lanyulus. 99 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:47,200 And he told me that their world was similar to ours, very much like ours, that the people in all of their history of their time, 100 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:55,200 no one time, there had never been a war of any kind or any trouble on their world between the people. 101 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:05,200 He told me that there was different colored people on his planet but it was caused by the, either what the eight or the climate in which they lived, 102 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,200 that they were all Lanyulusian people. 103 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,200 They were different colored but still the same people. 104 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:20,200 And he told me at this time he said, we will meet with you personally, physically, and talk to you later. 105 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,200 At this time he said we will meet with you later and talk to you. 106 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,200 He asked me not to be frightened again. 107 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:33,200 He said, when I break contact with you, you will feel a distinct shock but there can be no harm come to you. 108 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,200 And I did. 109 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,200 It felt like something snapped close to your ear. 110 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,200 It was gone. 111 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:47,200 You want to have you tell us the story about this next contact and where you went from there and what's happened since. 112 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,200 I would be glad to. 113 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:54,200 We're talking with Woody Darenberger about a trip that he made to Lanyulus. 114 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:03,200 Woody Darenberger is with us this morning and we're talking about a trip he made on a UFO and also with us is Harold Hubbard who, 115 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,200 with Woody put together this book called Visitors from Lanyulus. 116 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:15,200 And when we left off just a moment ago, we had come to the point where you were getting the second contact from Mr. Cold, 117 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:22,200 who was this humanoid figure who came out of this vehicle that stopped you on that road near Mineral Wells. 118 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:34,200 I don't exactly like to hear him refer to it as a humanoid figure because if you call him a humanoid, you have to call us a humanoid too because he is human as we are. 119 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:40,200 There is a slight difference in their blood. 120 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:46,200 But as I say, they're 100% human. They're 100% the same as we are. 121 00:10:46,200 --> 00:11:01,200 For an example, they say that their religious beliefs are identical with ours except they believe there is one God that created everything and they had no different denomination. 122 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:11,200 But they believe in the same God we do, they worship God, they say the same as we do and they are more religious actually than what we are. 123 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:17,200 They contributed all of their knowledge, their learning, their deeming directly from God himself. 124 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:22,200 You learned this from them after you made the second contact and went with them. Well tell us how that came about Woody. 125 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:33,200 Well, about two weeks after my first encounter with this Mr. Cold, I came home one night at approximately 11 or 12 o'clock at night. 126 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:40,200 As I drove up into my yard, I seen two men sitting on the porch. 127 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:51,200 When I got out of my truck and walked up, Mr. Cold, both the men got to their feet, they shook hands with me and this time they were talking just like we're talking now. 128 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:57,200 We sit on the porch, I asked them to go in, they said they didn't want to frighten my wife or children. 129 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:05,200 But we sit on the porch at zero weather for approximately one and a half to two hours and talk. 130 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:17,200 At this time they asked me all about our way of life, how we live, why we had our troubles here and how we handled them. 131 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:27,200 Of course I couldn't explain why we had so much trouble, but at this time he told me that again that on their world they had none of this trouble, 132 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:34,200 but they say that it was because they can communicate with each other so much better than what we did. 133 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:46,200 Because they use their mental telepathy, it's not a spoken word like we have to explain our ever feeling and action to our friends. 134 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:52,200 But they can simply open their mind and let everyone around them know how they feel. 135 00:12:52,200 --> 00:13:02,200 They also told me that this is something that each and every one of us here on this world can also learn if we want, 136 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:07,200 that it's inherent in the man, woman and child, this method of communication. 137 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:15,200 And he talked to me this way for as I say an hour and a half, two hours and then asked me if I wanted to see their ship. 138 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,200 Now I had a large barn that set out approximately 100 yards from my home. 139 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,200 We got up and walked up behind this barn and the ship was sitting there. 140 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:35,200 This ship, the only way that I can describe it, if you've ever seen an old fashioned lamp chimney, glow they call them. 141 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,200 I mean shape like this, one of those kind of arrangements like this. 142 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,200 That's right, that's a very good description. 143 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:47,200 But it looked as though there were two of those together, but it was flat on the bottom part of it. 144 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,200 But they asked me if I wanted to get on this ship at this time and I refused to get on it. 145 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,200 I was frankly frightened to get on it. 146 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:00,200 But I asked him how fast they could move this ship that they wanted to and he asked me to watch them. 147 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:06,200 He bid me goodbye, told me he would meet me again and both men got on the ship, they closed the door. 148 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,200 And one incident was sitting there, the next incident there was just a faint like a spark. 149 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,200 It just blew into the sky and it disappeared completely. 150 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:21,200 He later told me that they had complete control of gravity, the reason that they could move so fast. 151 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:29,200 But Mr. Cole did come back, I don't think we'll have time to go into the full story, but he did come back several times after this. 152 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:35,200 And on one of these meetings coming from Ravenswood, West Virginia, he asked me if I wanted to go for a trip. 153 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:41,200 I told him yes. He told me where to drive to meet the ship. I did drive, I did get on the ship. 154 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:54,200 And at the first time that I got on the ship, he took me on a trip from this earth in one type of a vehicle straight up to someplace close to the vicinity of the man. 155 00:14:54,200 --> 00:15:02,200 And then we transferred into what they call the Starship of Lane, that's what the people of this earth are referring to now as the mothership. 156 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:09,200 The smaller craft that I was in went directly at the underneath of this craft and locked into position directly under it. 157 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,200 There was a hatch open downward, one upward and we went into the mothership. 158 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:20,200 I met the whole crew and several hundred people that were on this craft. 159 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:25,200 And they took me within approximately 50 to 100 feet of the surface of the moon. 160 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:35,200 If you have read or seen me on television for years before, you'll find out that I did describe what the astronauts would find on the moon before they ever got there. 161 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,200 And it turned out exactly as I said it would. 162 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,200 But I did see the man. Then they took me to their world that they call Linnless. 163 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,200 At no time was I permitted to land on this first trip. 164 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,200 They took me close to the surface of their world so I could see people. 165 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,200 I could see their buildings. I could see vehicles. 166 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,200 But I wasn't permitted to land. 167 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:06,200 They told me that I wasn't prepared to land, but I would have to be what I would call sanitized and inoculated and everything before land. 168 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,200 But eventually I would be able to land on their world. 169 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:16,200 They brought me back home and that was about all there was to that trip. 170 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:23,200 How did it take? Could you keep track of it in terms of, you know, art time? Like how many days? 171 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,200 I would say on that first trip it was no more. 172 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,200 At the very greatest I didn't look at my watch. I never thought of it. 173 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:38,200 But I would say it couldn't have been over two hours at the very latest that I was on the whole trip. 174 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:47,200 That means that you're leaping over time in an extraordinary, almost a way that transcends our grasp of what time is. 175 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:53,200 They say that they don't move in the speed in the way that we move. 176 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,200 Instead of, we travel so many miles per hour. 177 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,200 But instead of this they bend distance. 178 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,200 They do not bend time. They bend distance. Space itself. 179 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,200 Like it did take a string. They say and then they bend them directly together. 180 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:16,200 If you would fit the switch it would end up just coming together and here at that spot. 181 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:29,200 As strange as it is saying, how did it is to believe, these people told me that our government, our own government, here on this earth, could travel at any speed, far greater than the speed of light right now. 182 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:39,200 They have the means, they have the ways. If they could control the gravity itself that would keep them crushing or disintegrating the objects in which our government would move. 183 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:45,200 They have the ways to move it, but they cannot control it. These people do have a way to control it. 184 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:53,200 Well Willie, we haven't really gotten to the point where you actually went there and landed and talked to people on Langelis. 185 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,200 But when we take this pause, can we come back and tell us a little bit about that and then we'll take some phone calls from some of our viewers out there. 186 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,200 And find out something about how you got the idea of putting the book together. 187 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:09,200 We're talking with Woody Derenberger about his trip to Langelis and we'll be back with him after who's that contest. 188 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:20,200 We're talking with Woody Derenberger about visitors from Langelis and also with us today is Harold Hubbard who with Woody put together this book called Visitors from Langelis. 189 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:29,200 And he's been telling us the story of how this all happened and we've come to the point where you've already been taken on their craft to Langelis. 190 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:36,200 You've seen it, but you have not landed. Now did subsequent to that, did they take you there and let you stay for a while? 191 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:46,200 Yes, shortly after that first trip. I cannot remember the exact length of time between it, but I was taken to their world. 192 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:54,200 And one before I landed, I was stripped. I was given some kind of an injection at each arm. 193 00:18:54,200 --> 00:19:02,200 I was taken into what I would call a little shower stall and was sanitized. That's what they call it. 194 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,200 And then I was landed when I got off of the spacecraft itself. 195 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:17,200 I was taken by Invercold and his wife to their home where I met their family, shown around their home. 196 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,200 I seen the way they done their cooking. 197 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,200 Was it like us? You know they have stoves and lots of paints. 198 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:32,200 No, it's not exactly like that. Although they do cook in the same way we do, but their stove looked like just a piece of metal. 199 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:41,200 And on top of the stove there was no burner or places to set the stove or cook in utensils. 200 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:49,200 You could say that any place that all you desired on top of the stove and controlled that heat, and it was controlled by atomic heat. 201 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,200 Their whole heating system is atomic. 202 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:59,200 And they say that the atomic also is becoming obsolete on their world. 203 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:08,200 But the thing that impressed me most in their world was their strange and same as their laundry facilities. 204 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:20,200 They took me in this room about 12 by 12 and it was on the ceiling where hooks hangers have every description to hang your clothes on. 205 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,200 You simply, when you wanted to clean your clothes, you hang your clothes on these hooks. 206 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:33,200 You go out close, door press switch, and a few minutes later you go in, your clothes are clean, sanitized, ready to wear. 207 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,200 That way you can clean any amount of clothing at the same time. 208 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:45,200 I still don't know why this impressed me so much, but I remember that more than anything else that I've seen on their world. 209 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,200 In their family, are they talking the language that you could understand? 210 00:20:48,200 --> 00:21:03,200 When I was with them, they mostly talked, language like we're talking now, but although I can understand them now, when I'm with them, I can understand their mental telepathy, communicate with them with mental telepathy just as easily as I can talk. 211 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,200 But they have a language that is different from ours. 212 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,200 Yes, they do. They have a language. 213 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:15,200 A few words that I know that it would be to say goodbye was the idea of being a good cook. 214 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,200 That would be goodbye or God to with you. 215 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:30,200 Well, we want to take some telephone calls, but I'd like to ask Mr. Hubbard how he happened to get together with you to put this thing together, to get this book, this story down in paper like this. 216 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,200 When did you first hear about this? 217 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:37,200 Back about this time, a year or two later, then of course, the 66. 218 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,200 But that's when you made the first encounter. 219 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:47,200 Yes. I met Woody through an investigations committee where we were investigating the incident. 220 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:59,200 And of course, we were required addresses. We met Mr. Durenberger, and we talked to some lengths, of course, and I decided then after talking to Woody that I wouldn't write the story. 221 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:08,200 You see, I had to have some proof, something that I knew would be nothing like a policy, because I was going to write a story that I had to believe in. 222 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:17,200 So of course, talking with Woody and seeing a few things that he does not talk about, I then became very interested and then proceeded to write the book. 223 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:25,200 Well, Woody, you know, you just saw all the big stories, all the put on, you made this up to sell a book and so on. 224 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:31,200 But you just don't seem like the kind of a guy who would sit around and spin out a story like this out of whole cloth. 225 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,200 You just don't strutting me as that sort of fellow. 226 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,200 I'm sure you get that all the time, right? 227 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:48,200 I do get this. I'm accused of being in this for making money, but as strange as it seems, even though we had the book out, I would spin out for a personal year, maybe a little longer. 228 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:54,200 I have never made a cent from this book. I have never received one dime for this book. 229 00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:01,200 In any way, I've never made any money. I've never even made the expenses that I've traveled around to talk to people. 230 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:10,200 I simply would like to tell the people this, because I know that these people are going to land, they're going to be with our people, mingle with our people, 231 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:16,200 and I simply want to tell our people what's going to happen so they won't be frightened, but these people will be permitted to land. 232 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:23,200 Let's take some phone calls. A lot of people ask you some questions. Let's take one here right now. Go ahead, please.